New Marvin - Deja Vu for Japanese market

[Billyboygretsch]

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The Japanese Burns dealer is the one offering the Deja Vu. They also sell the range of Burns guitars. I do not believe the Deja Vu is a fake it's just a rip off by the manufacture of a Burns design. The Marquee is probably a genuine Burns and may be made in the same factory

[kipper]

if its a rip off then surely its a fake. if barry hasn't given his consent to the burns name being used its a fake. I had a tremolo so called burns tremolo it was a knock off and was useless no way would it work properly. All it did was give burns a bad name. you cant have it both ways, it dosent matter how good or bad the deja vu is if it isn't licenced by burns its a copy a fake but it isn't a burns. if its a decent guitar he should put his own brand name on it. ok its not a dead copy of a burns but the burns of London decal is an exact copy and that's illegal and unfair on Barry Gibson at burns. peter

[Allclaphands]

I'm not sure it's a rip of.Its probably a Burns unathorised model but as for being a rip of
it as all the same parts ect as used by Burns and at the price it's up to those purchasing
one to decide if it's worth it, using the Burns name on the guitar is a bit of a nerve to say
the least but it seems they can't do a lot about it.

Pete

[kipper]

barry might not be able to stop it but we could by not buying it. if its a Burns unathorised model then surely that's a fake rip off whatever. I have seen threads on this forum before about rip off tabs cd`s and backing tracks that cheat the original maker (some from this site and charlie hall`s eftp) and we are asked not to buy them, rightly so as well. what's different with this. peter

[Allclaphands]

barry might not be able to stop it but we could by not buying it. if its a Burns unathorised model then surely that's a fake rip off whatever. I have seen threads on this forum before about rip off tabs cd`s and backing tracks that cheat the original maker (some from this site and charlie hall`s eftp) and we are asked not to buy them, rightly so as well. what's different with this. peter

In my reply I was not condoning what they are doing (which I personally do not agree with) but saying
it's not a rip off in the context that anyone buying one gets what they pay for, although with a model
not authorised by Burns but using there name.How copy right laws apply in China I personally don't
know and how it would be Inforced perhaps that's why Burns are unable to stop what is happening

Pete

[kipper]

barry might not be able to stop it but we could by not buying it. if its a Burns unathorised model then surely that's a fake rip off whatever. I have seen threads on this forum before about rip off tabs cd`s and backing tracks that cheat the original maker (some from this site and charlie hall`s eftp) and we are asked not to buy them, rightly so as well. what's different with this. peter

In my reply I was not condoning what they are doing (which I personally do not agree with) but saying
it's not a rip off in the context that anyone buying one gets what they pay for, although with a model
not authorised by Burns but using there name.How copy right laws apply in China I personally don't
know and how it would be Inforced perhaps that's why Burns are unable to stop what is happening

Pete

hi pete wasn't aiming at you sorry if that's how it came across. I understand what your saying that's probably same as I feel about it. peter

[Billyboygretsch]

It's strange that they have not ripped off any of the other better selling Burns models. The Deja represents a model which was demanded by the Japanese market with sales leaking outside of that territory. Perhaps they did this to fend off competitive models and BG would not oblige.
I have heard that BG is to stop making the Marvin - don't know why. Perhaps the Japanese dealer got wind of this and so created his own model to keep their customers happy. Barry is quite able to introduce a similar model to his global market
No way is this model being sold as a Marvin. The use of the Burns logo is a bit too much in the face. I believe the model would be successful without that logo.
To me the guitar is an attractive model and will appeal to many not so concerned about business ethics. Unfortunately this now seems to be the way of the world.

[Iain Purdon]

I'd never thought about that before.

I suppose it's on a par with a company making baked beans (for example) for a big name brand and also making them for a supermarket chain. If you can determine that the two products are identical, the supermarket version is the one to buy. If not, then you buy the one you prefer.

[JimN]

I'd never thought about that before. I suppose it's on a par with a company making baked beans (for example) for a big name brand and also making them for a supermarket chain. If you can determine that the two products are identical, the supermarket version is the one to buy. If not, then you buy the one you prefer.

That's probably true for baked beans for most people, though I am aware of some people who would not be seen dead buying an own-brand or shopping at Poundland, Aldi, Lidl, etc.

But with guitars, other factors apply, especially the sociology of consumer behaviour and preferences.

To take a different brand as an example, it doesn't matter how good, for instance, some Epiphone guitars may be (and their quality is highly varied proportional to price), they will never be thought of in the same league as Gibsons. They could be objectively and scientifically measured as the full quality equivalent of the parent brand, but they still won't be Gibsons (unless built at the Nashville or Memphis plants as a genuine USA reissue, which might be a different kettle of fish).

And as has been remarked here before, one of the worst things that can be said about your guitar, amp, drumkit, etc, is that it's a good [whatever] for the money.

So would I buy a Burns guitar design without the Burns name on it?

No, I would not.

Well, not unless Burns were no longer in production and there was no other way to get that sort of guitar.

[kipper]

I'd never thought about that before.

I suppose it's on a par with a company making baked beans (for example) for a big name brand and also making them for a supermarket chain. If you can determine that the two products are identical, the supermarket version is the one to buy. If not, then you buy the one you prefer.

I agree iain but those other beans good as they may be, would not have Heinz printed on them but own brand Tesco or whatever. peter