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Postby abstamaria » 12 Mar 2013, 02:28

Interesting topic, this one. There's not too much discussion on acoustics compared to our beloved Fiesta Red Stratocasters. My apologies to Jim for taking the thread off J45s slightly -

Patrcice wrote: For Andy:
"About the smaller body size of the Emmylou Harris model owned by your "earlier rhythm guitarist" :
For the "Jumbo" models there are three sizes:
The J 200 = 17 inches wide
The J 185 (introduced in 1951) = 16 inches wide (one inch smaller !)
The Everly Brothers Model (introduced in 1962) = 16 1/4 inches wide...
So I suppose (?) that the Emmylou Harris signature model of your friend is like a J 185 and had (has) a 16 inches body size ?"

I recall the emmy Lou Harris model (an L200) is 16" across the lower bout. We have a session scheduled after Easter with Lenny (our "earlier rhythm guitarist") and so will check. Emmy Lou Harris is actually well known for her J200s, and, unamplified, my J200 has more presence than the ELHarris, I think, but on stage, particularly with a petite guitarist, the Emmy Lou Harris looks like a proper J200.

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It is a pretty guitar.

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Re: Remember these?

Postby AlanMcKillop » 12 Mar 2013, 10:08

I'm not sure that there is much (audible) difference between the J-200 and J-185. I tried both and couldn't hear anything that determined that I should buy one as opposed to the other, so I went for the J-185 because it was slightly more comfortable (size wise) for playing.
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Re: Remember these?

Postby GoldenStreet » 12 Mar 2013, 13:47

JimN wrote:Patrice: Bruce told me at Tilburg that his natural finish Gibson used in "The Young Ones" was a J30 rather than a J50. Gibson have just reissued the 1930s J30.

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The J35 was introduced in 1936 and discontinued in 1942, to be replaced by the J45.

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I suspect the J30 is a more recent, square-shouldered innovation, supposedly introduced in 1985 and discontinued in 1997. Maybe, this is the one that has been recently reissued.

The Bruce Welch Tribute site shows a 1960s picture of Bruce playing a J50, although this could be an incorrect description of that particular guitar.

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Re: Remember these?

Postby JimN » 12 Mar 2013, 14:26

My mistake: it was the J-35.

The new reissue is effectively the same guitar as the J50 and J45 (each of which now sells new at about £1800 or more), but with slightly less decoration (though the J45 and J50 are not all that ornate). The headstock decal is in the pre-1947 style.

At £1200 (at GAK), it is amazing value for a USA (Montana) built Gibson. It even has an L R Baggs pickup system and a hard case.

JN

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/gibson-j-35-antique-natural/80072?gclid=CNXIgKmh97UCFaLHtAodCkQAtg
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Re: Remember these?

Postby GoldenStreet » 12 Mar 2013, 15:05

Yes, a superb instrument - I'm sorely tempted!!

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Re: Remember these?

Postby JimN » 12 Mar 2013, 16:27

GoldenStreet wrote:Yes, a superb instrument - I'm sorely tempted!!
Bill


I too would be tempted - but I already have a J50...

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Re: Remember these?

Postby Patrice » 12 Mar 2013, 17:45

Hi Jim, hi all,

I don't want to annoy Bruce (Hi Bruce !) but:
It's not possible (for me..) that the Gibson acoustic guitar "banner headstock" seen during the film The Young Ones might be a J 30.
Why ?
During the 30's then 40's, the J 30 model did not exist at this time. (But you found, just before, the solution !)
The right (and only) original possible reference is J 35.
But anyway :
If it's true that the (top) finish of some of these J 35 model (mainly Sunburst) was "Blonde" (like a J 50) the main differences between a J 35 and a J 45 ( or J 50) are :

- During the 30's the peghead of the Gibson acoustic guitar (L0, L00, L2, L-C, Nick Lucas, Roy Smeck, and J 35 for exemple !) was cut "straight" on each side of the peghead (tuning keys side).
When the J 45 appears (and remplaces the J 35) in 1942, the edges of its peghead are cut "curved". Like any Gibson guitar made since.
Not easy to remark on a photo but first indice !

- On the J 35 models the pre war Gibson script (pre 1947 modernistic logo...) was inked in white.
On the J 45 (or J 50) this script is inked "Gold".
Not so easy to remark on a photo !!!

- Most interesting :
The shape of the pickguard is (cut) like a "tear drop" on a J 45 (or a J50).
The J-35 has a pickguard which follows the body contours
See photos above or these two links for:
- a J 35 1939 : http://elderly.com/vintage/items/20U-13406.htm
- and for a J 50 1949 : http://www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-j-50-1949-natural#

At least and about the shape of the bridge.
During the 30's and the 40's the shape of the brigde is "rectangular".
Unfortunatly it remains "rectangular" from the 30's to 1950, when this rectangular bridge : on the J45 (or J 50) is remplaced by the "belly bridge".
So on this particular point, we can say that the acoustic guitar in the Bruce hands during the film The Young Ones has a "rectangular" bridge !
But no proof (this time...) for telling (sure) if it's a J 35 (blonde) or a J50...
For instance the (mainly) "proof", when you take a look (without glasses !) to the photo is the shape of the pickguard.
And a "teardrop" shape = a J 50...
And a Gibson J 50 model "banner headstock" (certainly 1946) is very (very !) rare to find...

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Re: Remember these?

Postby GoldenStreet » 12 Mar 2013, 18:08

Amazing detail - thanks, Patrice.

Bruce's Young Ones jumbo appears to feature the narrow rectangular bridge and definitely a 'teardrop' pickguard. I would have thought, rightly or wrongly, it was a J50.

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J45 custom

Postby abstamaria » 22 Apr 2013, 12:35

The local Gibson dealer has on sale a J45 custom in antique natural (not sunburst).  This seems a discontinued model, which may account for the discounted price.  Would you get this guitar? The back and sides are rosewood, rather than mahogany, so I wonder if that would take away from the traditional J45 tone.

The specs are:
   
Gold Grover Rotomatic Tuners
Headstock features a new flower and vine abalone pearl inlay
AA-grade Sitka spruce topIndian Rosewood back and sides
Tortoise tear drop pickguard Double-ring rosette filled with Abalone
Ebony Fingerboard with Rolled Edges
Mother of Pearl Dot Inlays
L.R. Baggs Element Active Acoustic Pickup System
Hand-scalloped, radiused top bracing Gibson Logo
Tapered Dovetail Neck Joint
Radius Top
Nitrocellulose Finish
Gold Grover Rotomatic Tuners
Headstock features a new flower and vine abalone pearl inlay
AA-grade Sitka spruce topIndian Rosewood back and sides
Tortoise tear drop pickguard Double-ring rosette filled with Abalone
Ebony Fingerboard with Rolled Edges
Mother of Pearl Dot Inlays
L.R. Baggs Element Active Acoustic Pickup System
Hand-scalloped, radiused top bracing Gibson Logo
Tapered Dovetail Neck Joint
Radius Top
Nitrocellulose Finish
Herringbone Body Binding

I am mighty tempted.

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Custom and standard j45s

Postby abstamaria » 25 Apr 2013, 15:59

I found this video on YouTube, comparing the custom versus standard j45s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3w0UJoy ... ata_player


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