Best unit for Shadowssounds

[Didier]

There is a lot of talk about echo unit's and 'that sound' or 'shadows sound', but imho the amp is the most important ingredient. I've heard numerous echo units being used in EF86 loaded AC's and in the right hands, most of them sound great.

I've heard comparative A/B tests with AC's amps using or not EF86, and there was no noticeable difference !

Didier

[dave robinson]

There is a lot of talk about echo unit's and 'that sound' or 'shadows sound', but imho the amp is the most important ingredient. I've heard numerous echo units being used in EF86 loaded AC's and in the right hands, most of them sound great.

I've heard comparative A/B tests with AC's amps using or not EF86, and there was no noticeable difference !

Didier

So does that mean it's all a load of nonsense ? I would certainly beg to differ and can back up my findings any time you wish to compare - how about you Didier?

[ecca]

Well I've listened to quite a few Meazzis lately at the Hankies for one reason or another and it took me right back to the Binson sound- crap.

[hansaustria]

There is a lot of talk about echo unit's and 'that sound' or 'shadows sound', but imho the amp is the most important ingredient. I've heard numerous echo units being used in EF86 loaded AC's and in the right hands, most of them sound great.

I've heard comparative A/B tests with AC's amps using or not EF86, and there was no noticeable difference !

Didier

When I got my AC 30 Supertwin a few weeks ago the first I did was to visit a musician ( friend ) who has a vintage Supertwin
from 1965 with orig. cab and silver bulldogs. This amp is well known and considered by musicians as the best sounding VOX amp
ever heard. We did a lot A / B comparisons with my vintage Supertwin, this amp sounded as well - if not better !

After playing and jamming with different Strats he brought two other AC 30 in the musicroom - one was a 30 years ltd. and one
a Korg Heritage ( Mahagoni ) with the Top Boost / EF 86 channel. None of these amps could satisfy us - the EF 86 channel was
a great disappointment for both of us. The sound was not rich and full and clear and mighty.

Maybe that this circuit works in vintage amps well I don`t know. My friends statement was .... " OK this amp is for collecting
not for playing. And the speakers are not played in well."

An experience I had, I would like to mention. It is very difficult to have live a great vintage Shadows sound through a PA. IMHO
it`s far easier to play to a backingtrack into a PC or recorder to have good results and to be authentic.

Regards
Hans

[Didier]

There is a lot of talk about echo unit's and 'that sound' or 'shadows sound', but imho the amp is the most important ingredient. I've heard numerous echo units being used in EF86 loaded AC's and in the right hands, most of them sound great.

I've heard comparative A/B tests with AC's amps using or not EF86, and there was no noticeable difference !
Didier

So does that mean it's all a load of nonsense ? I would certainly beg to differ and can back up my findings any time you wish to compare - how about you Didier?

It only means that hearing is highly subjective, and that listening memory is not reliable, even for long experienced musicians.
The only valid way to compare two different devices is to make instant A/B comparisons, setting up a system allowing to listen alternatively and quickly to the devices to be compared.
I listened to such a test with an AC30 fitted with a EF86 preamp, switching alternatively from the EF86 preamp to the normal ECC83 preamp. There was no noticeable difference...
I also attended an even more significant test using a well known "box" supposed to give "that sound", but this time it was a "blind" test, apart for the one who conducted the test (and said nothing during it), no one knew when the "box" was used or not. Then the audience (all of them long experienced Shadows' music listeners and players) was asked to tell when the "box" was used or not. The result was about 50/50, I was among those who were right, but it was probably a matter of luck, because the was no really noticeable differences.

I think all comparisons should be made with the same "blind" way, and I guess there would be a lot of surprises !

I will not have the cruelty to post again sound files which were posted some years ago by people who claimed they had at last reached "that sound"...

Didier

[Gary Allen]

Robbies double stops at the end (last 2 secs)....The Real Shadows Sound.

[shadowkarl]

Here is an example of what can be obtained with an echo unit costing less than £200 : http://www.4shared.com/get/6FeGZ8s3/Won ... _Echo.html
I think it shows than you can get interesting results without breaking the bank.

Didier[/quote]

Hi Didier,

1st question, I assume that the time spent to produce and test this DIY Echounit is not included in the 200£
2nd...and what was the amp used in that sound file?

regards
Shadowkarl

[Didier]

Here is an example of what can be obtained with an echo unit costing less than £200 : http://www.4shared.com/get/6FeGZ8s3/Won ... _Echo.html
I think it shows than you can get interesting results without breaking the bank.

Didier

Hi Didier,

1st question, I assume that the time spent to produce and test this DIY Echounit is not included in the 200£
2nd...and what was the amp used in that sound file?

regards
Shadowkarl

1/ Being a DIY job, the cost is only for components, rack included (it's the costliest part !).
2/ the amp used is a Vox 15W Pathfinder (all transistor).

Didier

[dave robinson]

I agree with Didier that it is subjective and would add that many distractions were offered which made the task of finding the tone even more difficult - They have however been discarded in my case and normal service is resumed, I am delighted with where we are today regarding this subject.

[hansaustria]

Robbies double stops at the end (last 2 secs)....The Real Shadows Sound.

This tone is vintage and for me "That Sound" ( on Wonderful Land, .... ) - i like it ! And great playing too !


Hans


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