The stones at the o2

[iefje]

Sigh...Yes Dave, I know that. What I meant was that I think Bruce and Brian (and Tony and Jet) in the early years, were just as important to The Shadows sound as Hank was. So to me, Hank, Bruce and Brian (and earlier Tony and Jet) are The Shadows, not just Hank.

Who said anything about the SOUND of The Shadows ? I certainly did not.
I respect and support The Shadows as much as anyone else here and for me the whole band are equally important, but the sad fact is the 99% of the public perceive Hank to be the image of the band.
I remember around 1994 that Bruce arranged a tour on his own for which we bought tickets, only to learn that the tour was cancelled owing to 'lack of interest' and our money was refunded.
I remember being furious at the time as I had looked forward to seeing Bruce as I admire him a lot.
By contrast Hank's tour (which I boycotted in protest) of the same year was quite busy and his subsequent tours sold out in most venues. This is the point I am trying to make regarding the general public - to them rightly or wrongly, Hank is the man, The Shadows.
Getting back on topic, Brian Jones had the same presence in The Rolling Stones. That's it.

That's not the way I see it, but if that's your opinion, fair enough.

[GoldenStreet]

Nah... sorry John, but this is something I've said several times in the past: the composers of both Twist And Shout and Hippy Hippy Shake (assuming them still to be living) should turn in the general direction of Liverpool each evening and utter a few prayers of thanks.

Neither the Isley Brothers' version of T&S nor Chan's version of HHS were anywhere near good enough to become the massive hits they were in the hands of the Beatles and Swinging Blue Jeans respectively. Those composers' pensions were created in Abbey Road No 2.

Judge for yourself (and compare with the definitive versions):





Original simply isn't always best. If it were, Hoagy Carmichael would be regarded as a better singer than Bing Crosby.

In the same way, I've always preferred the SBJ's version of Shake Rattle And Roll (first issued on the 1964 EP Shake With The SBJ) to the original by Bill Haley and the Comets, despite the authentic string bass on that version. As with Hippy Hippy Shake, Ralph Ellis's lead solo helps to contribute to the overall excitement of their arrangement.

Bill

[hbmartin]

i think it was last year that hank marvin had a tour canceled because of lack of support ticket sales ect i think he was going to do the gypsy stuff that he`s apparantly now in to. so pehaps its the music not the man. just a thought peter

That's actually untrue. I tried to buy tickets at most of the venues announced by Leos Den and was told no tickets were on sale as the tour had not yet been agreed to by Hank. Some theatres said dates were provisionally on hold but no confirmation received from the promoter. The only venue on sale was Croydon Halls and apparently they should not have sold tickets. I'm told it was an over eager promoter who offered a tour but Hank had not confirmed it. So wrong to say it was cancelled because of lack of support.

[kipper]

i think it was last year that hank marvin had a tour canceled because of lack of support ticket sales ect i think he was going to do the gypsy stuff that he`s apparantly now in to. so pehaps its the music not the man. just a thought peter

That's actually untrue. I tried to buy tickets at most of the venues announced by Leos Den and was told no tickets were on sale as the tour had not yet been agreed to by Hank. Some theatres said dates were provisionally on hold but no confirmation received from the promoter. The only venue on sale was Croydon Halls and apparently they should not have sold tickets. I'm told it was an over eager promoter who offered a tour but Hank had not confirmed it. So wrong to say it was cancelled because of lack of support.

thanks for that information i stand corrected. but that does seem a sorry state of affairs and its understandable why i was told it had been canceled by a some one who was arranging tickets for me. to sell tickets or tout tickets for a tour that never was. but thank you. peter

[ash]

Isn't the "original" of Shake, Rattle and Roll by Big Joe Turner ?
I think The Beatles bbc takes of Hippy Hippy Shake make the SBJ's version sound poor. Macca's screamy Little Richard voice is (was) brilliant.
BTW slightly back on topic the Nov 29 Stones Midnight Rambler was really good despite MT's slight over noodling. For a few minutes they became a credible rock 'n' blues band of old geezers. They should get him back in the line up full-time if they can work out the tax implications !

[GoldenStreet]

Ash, yes, you are correct in that the Joe Turner recording dates from 15th February 1954, and Bill Haley's (original-ish!) version was recorded on 7th June in the same year. The Beatles recorded a version as part of a medley with Rip It Up and Blue Suede Shoes.

Bill

[ash]

yeah but sadly The Beatles version sucks !! Massive Beatles fan but post White Album ? Yuck.

[Iain Purdon]

Ash, yes, you are correct in that the Joe Turner recording dates from 15th February 1954, and Bill Haley's (original-ish!) version was recorded on 7th June in the same year.

Yes Big Joe Turner's naughty original was cleaned up by Bill Haley.

[GoldenStreet]

By coincidence, the recently deceased Mickey Baker (separate thread on the People board) played guitar on the Joe Turner session.

Bill

[stratmantd]

yeah but sadly The Beatles version sucks !! Massive Beatles fan but post White Album ? Yuck.

Really? Post White Album? Yuck.

Yellow Submarine - Yuck? Presumably you mean side 2 which is the film music.

Abbey Road - Yuck? Behave yourself, that is the most sublime album they ever recorded.

Let it Be - Yuck? Signs of friction but some very good stuff there too.