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Zoom MS-70CDR & MS-100BT Effects Pedal?

Postby sausage fingers » 23 Feb 2015, 17:48

After buying my Harley Benton AC Tone pedal(Joyo) i must admit for the money i think its brilliant :D i thought i might add a reverb, chorus and tremolo pedal....i do some backing for a female singer and these effects would suit the style. I did think of buying individual pedals but then saw the Zoom MS-70cdr multi effects pedal that has all of these built in.......
http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-70cdr
Looks like you can add settings for Shadow style echo, i think Dave Robinson may have some zoom g3 settings that may work and theres a guy selling Shadows patches on ebay....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZOOM-MS-70CDR ... 259f0e0bff
Everyone seems to be happy with his product from what i can see....I've no connection with this guy.
Anyone tried this set up or am i just dreaming :mrgreen:
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Rob :D
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby leddo » 24 Feb 2015, 13:23

I've got the Zoom CDR70 and it is amazing for the price (around £60 second hand). If you know your way around the Zoom G3 then you can some great sounds out of this. It has a better selection of delays and reverbs than the G3 and is cheaper. It is just chorus delay and reverb, no amp sims and it really a modern day Zoom 508 (remember them?) only better, in my opinion. I am surprised it hasn't been mentioned more on this site.
Don't know anything about the guy offering patches for it tho
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby dave robinson » 24 Feb 2015, 13:27

leddo wrote:I've got the Zoom CDR70 and it is amazing for the price (around £60 second hand). If you know your way around the Zoom G3 then you can some great sounds out of this. It has a better selection of delays and reverbs than the G3 and is cheaper. It is just chorus delay and reverb, no amp sims and it really a modern day Zoom 508 (remember them?) only better, in my opinion. I am surprised it hasn't been mentioned more on this site.
Don't know anything about the guy offering patches for it tho


The guy offering patches on eBay is using former EFTP data, as well of a load of backing tracks that he won't have made, not sure if it comes under piracy. :|
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby stephen » 24 Feb 2015, 15:14

Although my interest is purely academic, I've noticed the range of Shadows-type patches marketed by Art d'Echo and thought that they seemed to offer good value for money comparatively speaking. To my (relatively unfussy) ears, the demo's seem 'on the money' sound-wise. If you were looking to buy into an inexpensive route to achieving the generic Shadows sound, I don't think you'd go far wrong. They seem to offer patches to suit all the main hardware options as well. Also probably well-suited to a dedicated, modulation/delay/reverb effects only unit such as the Zoom MS-70CDR that has been mentioned. For an outlay of around £100 a new one of those & a set of patches could be obtained, which seems pretty good value.....
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby gambler » 24 Feb 2015, 23:59

Hi,
Although l'm a complete newbie to the wonderful world of guitars and all connected with it, just thought l'd add my humble opinion

Those that have read my thread on advice for a beginner will know that l'm an organ / keyboard player just starting down the road of learning guitar. l too saw the Art D'echo patches, and as l know absolutely nothing about anything guitar related l wanted to find out if they were any good or not, hence my questions. My main reason for doing so is l've bought style disks for the keyboards over the years, same idea as the patches for the guitar as far as l know, where you can have anything from preset sounds to full blown backing tracks on disk to download to the keyboard.

On the face of it, yep there's a couple of demo tracks, which to be fair, do sound pretty good, but that doesn't give the full picture for me. l've been burnt buying disks for the keyboard that maybe had one or at a push two half decent files, only for the rest to be absolutely terrible. l even bought one disk that claimed to be specifically for the top of the range organ l have, only to find it was shocking on every file, it wasn't playable at all. The sounds were terrible, and nothing like the sounds l know the organ's capable of. l contacted the guy who owned the company and asked why the disk was so bad. He informed me the disk had been recorded using an organ which was at the budget end of the range, and who's sound processors were entirely different. Needless to say, l got a full refund as he was selling something under a false description. These disks cost around £15 - £20 each, pretty much the same as the Art D'echo. Personally l can't afford to waste even that kind of money on something that turns out to be not as good as l'd hoped for.

If the patches are indeed not even their own work, is it right to support such a venture? The way l see it you get what you pay for. And it's not all down to just the item, it's about after sales too, knowing that if you have a problem you'll have support and help from the company to get you back on track.
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby stephen » 25 Feb 2015, 12:24

There must be quite a few people out there that maybe want to sample Shadows-style music to see if it suits, without initially spending a lot of cash. Likewise, a lot of players already own and use some of the multi-effects units that can be 'programmed' with suitable patches. I've just looked at the Art d'Echo eBay listings now and you can obtain a set of Shadows-style patches for the still popular Zoom G2/G2.1u for just £9.99. Patches for the Magicstomp are similarly priced. The equivalent cost of a couple of sets of cheap strings isn't a lot to risk in trying them out, with or without any notional 'after-sales service' and they've only had one 'neutral' Feedback rating in the last 12 months. Other than that, I know nothing more about them or their business.
If I wanted to audition the sounds of this style of music & already owned one of the units catered for, I think that it would be a no-brainer not to at this price point. If in the future you felt the need (or peer pressure!) to go for something higher up the effects unit/echo patch food-chain, as with the choice of guitars & amps., there are more expensive 'better' options available and that initial £9.99/£19.99 wouldn't have been that serious a 'waste' even for the most parsimonious of us! It's just up to the individual which route he /she takes to achieve the sound that satisfies them. I would emphasise the word 'them' as too many people just slavishly follow what others advocate without checking things out themselves.
Generally speaking, it's easy to overlook the fact that you can put together your own set of patches using your ears as a reference point! It's not like attempting to crack the formula for Coca-Cola or unlocking the secret to alchemy and to the best of my knowledge, Stephen Hawking has yet to feel the need to solve the mystery of authentic Shadows echoes! It's basically balancing the various parameter values of effects blocks until it sounds 'right' to your ears & perceptions of the recorded/live target sound.
Fairly recently, Dave Robinson bemoaned the fact that many players are just too lazy to put the effort into getting a good sound and just expect to buy it in, ready-made. I couldn't agree more. He went on to praise the quality of sounds available from his newly acquired Zoom G3x & how relatively easy it was to obtain some of the best Shadows sounds he'd had in recent years. Generously, he even made his patches free to anyone that was interested. Some lucky G3x-owning Shadows fans must be well-pleased at the money they saved by taking up his offer. Granted, not everyone has Dave's level of experience, but from what he's said & the encouragement given, I'm sure that many G3x user's could programme their own patches and in the process of doing so, enjoy the exercise & learn something of real benefit in the process.
I'm certainly no 'echo guru' and if anything I'm also a bit lazy, not devoting much avoidable effort to what is just a lesser of several retirement hobbies. I've got one of the first series of Vox Valvertronix amps. (AD120VT) and when I initially wanted to approximate a generic Shadows-style sound, I set up one of the patches based on the Vox AC15 model and to be honest, that's still what I use the most nowadays as it's instant and less trouble that hauling out & connecting up my Zoom G71ut.
Stephen.
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby dave robinson » 25 Feb 2015, 20:56

Out of curiosity and because of my interest in echo boxes I bought one of the Zoom MS-70CDR pedals and it arrived today.
There are some good sounds on it no doubt, but it is nowhere near as easy as the Zoom G3x to programme and is very fiddly, not recommended unless you are au fait with how to set these things up. Also, the patches can only be saved on the unit, no EDIT & SHARE for this, so no storing the patches on the computer, it's all manual.
At £65 I can use it as a straight echo box and chorus when I've programmed it, but for another £30, the G3 wins hands down. :)
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby sausage fingers » 25 Feb 2015, 22:09

Dave, whats the quality of the reverbs like on the Zooms, theres no shops around my area that actually stock the zoom gear. If you don't mind me asking, where did you manage to get one for £65, i just noticed Thomann are out of stock.
Thanks
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby dave robinson » 25 Feb 2015, 23:25

The reverbs are all good. I got mine from juno.co.uk for £65.99 inc P&P (b stock) but I can't see any flaws in it, looks brand new to me and complete with batteries. :)
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Re: Zoom MS-70CDR Effects Pedal?

Postby sausage fingers » 25 Feb 2015, 23:43

Great
Thanks
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