Best unit for Shadowssounds

[Didier]

Hi Didier, Again its a good heavy guitar sound, I had a Boss RE 1000 rack unit once that sounded similar although I couldnt guess what was used here,

What was used here is a laptop PC using VST softwares. There was also a Zoom G7, but used only as a preamp and as a switching unit, with no effects used.
This was recoreded live during a meeting, using only a pair of T.Bone EM-9600 mikes with my camcorder located at the other end of the hall.

Didier

[hansaustria]

In order to intensify the discussion a bit. I've been a few years in this forum and I noticed that the best ( most ) soundfiles
were recorded with digital equipment with / without EFTP patches. Where are the experts in all the years with the old,
original equipment such as Maezzi / Binson, etc. to nail the sound of the Shadows only with a Strat an amp and the
vintage echo into the tape machine / PC !

I`m I right or didn`t I notice the files with the right vintage gear. Those who I found on youtube were no FAR better than that
done with digital equipment. If anything, the sound is indeed a matter of taste !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1IwN_StsCk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s5w5duR ... re=related

Hans

[keithmantle]

Perhaps it's more to do with the playing than the kit

. . . . . . Finally, hallefrikkinllujha !

So eloquently put Dave and so right !!

[shadowkarl]

In order to intensify the discussion a bit. I've been a few years in this forum and I noticed that the best ( most ) soundfiles
were recorded with digital equipment with / without EFTP patches. Where are the experts in all the years with the old,
original equipment such as Maezzi / Binson, etc. to nail the sound of the Shadows only with a Strat an amp and the
vintage echo into the tape machine / PC !

I`m I right or didn`t I notice the files with the right vintage gear. Those who I found on youtube were no FAR better than that
done with digital equipment. If anything, the sound is indeed a matter of taste !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1IwN_StsCk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s5w5duR ... re=related

Hans

Hi Hans,

have a look at (and listen to) this phil kelly-youtube file. That is an old equipment with that sound!! (and all the other Kelly you tube files as well!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhiKcOvwhw
regards
shadowkarl

[Rosemary]

I haven't had a lot of experience like most members here but have recently been fortunate to have had opportunities to play through the gear of some of our club members and think the Magicstomp with EFTP and the TVS3 unit both produce fantastic authentic sounds. For awhile I'd been wondering if I should change pickups on my USA Strat but since hearing it played through these units at the meetings I realise my guitar can sound very good as is (It's just my playing that needs lots more improvement). I have a Zoom G2.1Nu with EFTP and it's pretty good too and I'm sure with a bit more amp tweaking it can sound much better but I think the Magicstomp with EFTP always sounds better than my Zoom.
Best wishes
Rosemary

[Detailed Infinity]

Perhaps it's more to do with the playing than the kit

. . . . . . Finally, hallefrikkinllujha !

So eloquently put Dave and so right !!

Ah dear old Robbo. That'll be chiselled on your headstone. You're right of course.

B.

[shadowkarl]

Perhaps it's more to do with the playing than the kit

. . . . . . Finally, hallefrikkinllujha !

So eloquently put Dave and so right !!

Dear all,

yes the playing style and art is certainly a major ingredient; but even Mr. Horowitz (the piano god) could not exert his full potential soundwise on another piano Brand than on his special made mechanics.
So even if Hank would play any other Strat type and not his own specials, I doubt if the outcome would be as good. (Know of people who cannot play on his Strats, with the high action)
regards
shadowkarl

[petercreasey]

Isn't the point here that good kit will make a good player sound good but it won't make a bad player sound good.I've heard good players make inferior equipment sound great and I've heard inferior players make good kit sound awful. After all we are talking about making sound louder, bigger last longer etc etc if playing isn't right in the first place all that would happen is a bad sound would be louder, bigger last longer etc etc.
Just my opinion of course but before spending many many pounds on kit we should all make sure that we are giving our playing skills our full attention. The differences between Quads, magic stomps tape echoes etc is much slighter than the difference between hitting the strings right or wrong. I think the answer is in our own hands

Take care

[dave robinson]

Isn't the point here that good kit will make a good player sound good but it won't make a bad player sound good.I've heard good players make inferior equipment sound great and I've heard inferior players make good kit sound awful. After all we are talking about making sound louder, bigger last longer etc etc if playing isn't right in the first place all that would happen is a bad sound would be louder, bigger last longer etc etc.
Just my opinion of course but before spending many many pounds on kit we should all make sure that we are giving our playing skills our full attention. The differences between Quads, magic stomps tape echoes etc is much slighter than the difference between hitting the strings right or wrong. I think the answer is in our own hands

Take care

It's all common sense Peter, but the ground is stony . . . . . . fast-track rules !

[Didier]

Isn't the point here that good kit will make a good player sound good but it won't make a bad player sound good.I've heard good players make inferior equipment sound great and I've heard inferior players make good kit sound awful.

It's perfecly obvious that the best kit will not make a bad player sound good, but a bad kit can spoil the sound of a good player !

I don't like Hank Marvin's recordings on which he doesn't use echo, it could be any good guitar player. Hank himself said in an interview that it had not been a good idea to drop the use of echo as he sometime did.

For me the use of echoes is 100% part of Hank's sound, and I much prefer his early raw sound (1960-1963) to his more polished modern sound.

Didier